System 7.5.5 Networking troubles.
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System 7.5.5 Networking troubles.
I have installed 7.5.3 and upgraded to 7.5.5 under BasaliskII, and cannot get networking to work.
In addition, I do not get the TCP/IP control panel that I see in the installation guides.
I have a MacTCP control panel, and a hidden file in control panels called TCP/IP.
Any clues?
Is there a separate update for networking?
In addition, I do not get the TCP/IP control panel that I see in the installation guides.
I have a MacTCP control panel, and a hidden file in control panels called TCP/IP.
Any clues?
Is there a separate update for networking?
LaserWriter troubles
Related to Networking problems is that I can't see the LaserWriter in the chooser.
Will need advise about this too.
Thanks!
Will need advise about this too.
Thanks!
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Are you sure you are using System 7.5.3/7.5.5? Did you start a custom installation or an Easy Install? Remember that the setup guide is pretty much a way to start off and is not the only way to use . If you really want to make sure , go to the Apple Extras folder (comes with the installation) then application there (I can't remember the exact name) . Switch to TCP/IP and restart . You should be able to see the TCP/IP control panel there by now . I'm not surprised if Mac OS hid the TCP/IP control panel instead of putting it somewhere else .
Oh yeah , did you enable networking in the Basilisk II GUI?
Oh yeah , did you enable networking in the Basilisk II GUI?
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Re: System 7.5.5 Networking troubles.
Yes. You may need to install Open Transport 1.1.2. It's downloadable from Apple's web site:anagram wrote:I have installed 7.5.3 and upgraded to 7.5.5 under BasaliskII, and cannot get networking to work.
In addition, I do not get the TCP/IP control panel that I see in the installation guides.
I have a MacTCP control panel, and a hidden file in control panels called TCP/IP.
Any clues?
Is there a separate update for networking?
http://download.info.apple.com/Apple_Su ... ll.sea.bin
EDIT: But Ronald's method (next message) is easier if it's possible on your system. (I needed to install OpenTransport on my 7.5.5 system.)
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Re: System 7.5.5 Networking troubles.
Some 7.5.3 installers will install both the classic networking (with MacTCP and Network control panels) and the OpenTransport networking (with TCP/IP and AppleTalk control panels). One set is hidden and there is a "Network Software selector" in the "Apple Extras" folder to switch between the two networking systems.anagram wrote:I have installed 7.5.3 and upgraded to 7.5.5 under BasaliskII, and cannot get networking to work.
In addition, I do not get the TCP/IP control panel that I see in the installation guides.
I have a MacTCP control panel, and a hidden file in control panels called TCP/IP.
See also this post: http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewto ... 3706#33706
I did what Ronald suggested, and that got me my TCP/IP panel updated. It did not make any difference for connecting however.
I then installed the OpenTransport 1.1.2 suggested by Mac Mechanic. still fail.
More info on my set up:
In Basislisk GUI, in the Serial/Network tab, I have entered slirp for Ethernet interface. I am running Mac OS X 10.6.6 and Mac OS X 10.6.7 (two different test machines).
AppleTalk is no longer supported by the new Apple OS. Is this possibly an issue? I had to change our LaserWriter to LPD install type to get it to work on our MacPro. Do I have to do this with System755? Does anyone know how? Should I turn off AppleTalk?
Lots of questions... Thanks everyone!
It is awesome to see System 7 running on my Mac...
anne
I then installed the OpenTransport 1.1.2 suggested by Mac Mechanic. still fail.
More info on my set up:
In Basislisk GUI, in the Serial/Network tab, I have entered slirp for Ethernet interface. I am running Mac OS X 10.6.6 and Mac OS X 10.6.7 (two different test machines).
AppleTalk is no longer supported by the new Apple OS. Is this possibly an issue? I had to change our LaserWriter to LPD install type to get it to work on our MacPro. Do I have to do this with System755? Does anyone know how? Should I turn off AppleTalk?
Lots of questions... Thanks everyone!
It is awesome to see System 7 running on my Mac...
anne
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Exactly what do you need networking in BasiliskII for?
With "slirp" networking, you only need to set TCP/IP control panel to Ethernet and DHCP. With default settings, the OpenTransport networking software will only load when needed. As soon as you use an application that tries to connect using TCP/IP, like for instance a webbrowser, OpenTransport will load and the IP addresses will appear in the TCP/IP panel. If somehow this does not work, you can use the manual configuration to set the addresses that slirp networking in BasiliskII uses:
IP Address : 10.0.2.15
Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0
Router Address : 10.0.2.2
Name Server Address : 10.0.2.3
With "slirp" networking, you only need to set TCP/IP control panel to Ethernet and DHCP. With default settings, the OpenTransport networking software will only load when needed. As soon as you use an application that tries to connect using TCP/IP, like for instance a webbrowser, OpenTransport will load and the IP addresses will appear in the TCP/IP panel. If somehow this does not work, you can use the manual configuration to set the addresses that slirp networking in BasiliskII uses:
IP Address : 10.0.2.15
Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0
Router Address : 10.0.2.2
Name Server Address : 10.0.2.3
Hello,
I just tried my BII setup on snow leo with System D1-7.5.3.
I configured to connect to this site with about three clicks, with the method Ronald described above.
Did you set TCP/IP to "Ethernet" and "DHCP Server"? Netscape3 gave me tons of javaScript errors, but
that should go into another topic
Maybe you could try OS8 with BasiliskII. I recall things to be more straight forward with 8,
but it IS cool to have System7 on OSX.
Best wishes!
I just tried my BII setup on snow leo with System D1-7.5.3.
I configured to connect to this site with about three clicks, with the method Ronald described above.
Did you set TCP/IP to "Ethernet" and "DHCP Server"? Netscape3 gave me tons of javaScript errors, but
that should go into another topic
Maybe you could try OS8 with BasiliskII. I recall things to be more straight forward with 8,
but it IS cool to have System7 on OSX.
Best wishes!
The absolute most import issue is to get the LaserWriter 16/600 working with System 7.5.5.
My friend has software that runs only on 7, and needs to be able to use his LaserWriter.
I was using iCab to experiment to see if I could get a Network connection, but internet is not as important.
Thanks,
anne
My friend has software that runs only on 7, and needs to be able to use his LaserWriter.
I was using iCab to experiment to see if I could get a Network connection, but internet is not as important.
Thanks,
anne
Alexandre Thanks!!!!!
I did not realize that BII needed to see these EXACT numbers.
IP Address : 10.0.2.15
Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0
Router Address : 10.0.2.2
Name Server Address : 10.0.2.3
Put them in, restarted a couple times, and Yay! A very messed up Google search page with Yuri Gagarin themed Google Doodle!
OK Now the Apple LaserWriter!
-anne
I did not realize that BII needed to see these EXACT numbers.
IP Address : 10.0.2.15
Subnet Mask : 255.255.255.0
Router Address : 10.0.2.2
Name Server Address : 10.0.2.3
Put them in, restarted a couple times, and Yay! A very messed up Google search page with Yuri Gagarin themed Google Doodle!
OK Now the Apple LaserWriter!
-anne
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AppleTalk will not work with slirp networking, so you need to set up IP printing. As far as I know, LaserWriter 8 version 8.5.1 is the first version to support IP printing and the Desktop Printer Utility. However, in my 7.5.5 installation (updated from 7.5.3) I still have version 8.3.4 that came with 7.5.3. Probably the same in your 7.5.5 system.
(Here is an old (1997) article about the "new" features in LaserWriter 8.5.1: http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech ... index.html)
With a LaserWriter 8 that supports IP printing, you can use Desktop Printing Utility to set up a LPR printer that can print directly to the printer's IP address. A later LaserWriter 8 version and the Desktop Printer Utility need to be installed separately in 7.5.5, but I do not know where you could still find that software.
Could you use MacOS 7.6.1? It probably installs both as part of the system installation.
BTW: My name is not Alexandre, "Alexandre Daigle" is my rank in this forum like "Space Cadet" is your rank so far. (Alexandre Daigle is a Canadian hockey player).
(Here is an old (1997) article about the "new" features in LaserWriter 8.5.1: http://www.mactech.com/articles/mactech ... index.html)
With a LaserWriter 8 that supports IP printing, you can use Desktop Printing Utility to set up a LPR printer that can print directly to the printer's IP address. A later LaserWriter 8 version and the Desktop Printer Utility need to be installed separately in 7.5.5, but I do not know where you could still find that software.
Could you use MacOS 7.6.1? It probably installs both as part of the system installation.
BTW: My name is not Alexandre, "Alexandre Daigle" is my rank in this forum like "Space Cadet" is your rank so far. (Alexandre Daigle is a Canadian hockey player).
Some software, including those for printers, can be found here:
http://www.info.apple.com/support/older ... elist.html
Hope you can manage the printing job.
http://www.info.apple.com/support/older ... elist.html
Hope you can manage the printing job.
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This page has a download link to the needed software and describes how to set up the LPR printer:
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/rcf/FAQs/macLPR/macLPR.htm
Here is a Apple Support article about how to set up a LPR printer:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA37368?viewlocale=en_US
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/rcf/FAQs/macLPR/macLPR.htm
Here is a Apple Support article about how to set up a LPR printer:
http://support.apple.com/kb/TA37368?viewlocale=en_US
Ronald,
Thanks for LaserWriter 8.5.1 tip. I will search for that software.
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BTW: My name is not Alexandre, "Alexandre Daigle" is my rank in this forum like "Space Cadet" is your rank so far. (Alexandre Daigle is a Canadian hockey player).
Well, they don't call me 'Space Cadet' for nothing!
<red face>
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Thanks for LaserWriter 8.5.1 tip. I will search for that software.
RE:
BTW: My name is not Alexandre, "Alexandre Daigle" is my rank in this forum like "Space Cadet" is your rank so far. (Alexandre Daigle is a Canadian hockey player).
Well, they don't call me 'Space Cadet' for nothing!
<red face>
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Don't enable Javascript , or disable the Javascript error reporting . Netscape 3 enables Javascript by default , and then spams you with Javascript errors everytime you go to a site like Google . I always turn my Javascript off , since they usually crash my emulator or hang it for quite awhile . Huge performance slowdown .24bit wrote:Netscape3 gave me tons of javaScript errors, but
that should go into another topic
Yes , Network Software Selector! Gotta start remembering such names...Ronald P. Regensburg wrote:One set is hidden and there is a "Network Software selector" in the "Apple Extras" folder to switch between the two networking systems.
Somebody should make a Mac OS X port of the Basilisk II Router these days...
Thanks folks for the software links and info.
Installed LaserWriter 8.5.1 recommended for my OS 7.5.5.
(Regrettably, this is the desired OS, as a needed application stopped working on later versions).
Running "Desktop Printer Utility", I can get all the way to VERIFY the printer, but it does not find it.
AppleTalk still sees no zones. (I have tried slirp ON and OFF in the BII GUI, no difference).
I followed instructions on this page:
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/rcf/FAQs/macLPR/macLPR.htm
@24bit : what version of snow leo did you use?
-anne
Installed LaserWriter 8.5.1 recommended for my OS 7.5.5.
(Regrettably, this is the desired OS, as a needed application stopped working on later versions).
Running "Desktop Printer Utility", I can get all the way to VERIFY the printer, but it does not find it.
AppleTalk still sees no zones. (I have tried slirp ON and OFF in the BII GUI, no difference).
I followed instructions on this page:
http://www.soest.hawaii.edu/rcf/FAQs/macLPR/macLPR.htm
@24bit : what version of snow leo did you use?
-anne
Just for the records Anne, it is a Hackintosh E5700 running 10.6.7.
I had trouble at times with printer setups since the days of my Amiga,
apprehending the printer drivers were invented somewhere in hell
Apple devices would work without problems usually, but emulation made some new rules.
Somewhere in the forum is a thread about printing to postscript and sending the file to print with a script.
That seemed to be a reasonable approach, but I did not try.
Best wishes!
I had trouble at times with printer setups since the days of my Amiga,
apprehending the printer drivers were invented somewhere in hell
Apple devices would work without problems usually, but emulation made some new rules.
Somewhere in the forum is a thread about printing to postscript and sending the file to print with a script.
That seemed to be a reasonable approach, but I did not try.
Best wishes!
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Apparently it cannot connect to the printer. That is strange. "Verify" should work with the IP address of almost any device (printer or not) that is connected to the same network as the host that BasiliskII runs on. Of course that device, the printer, must be on and have a static IP address assigned to it.
An alternative is to set up a desktop printer to print to a PostScript file that is saved in a folder inside the 'Unix' disk that has, in the shared folder on the Mac OS X side, a Folder Action Script assigned to it that will automatically print an appearing PostScript file to your default printer on the Mac OS X side. (That can be any printer, not necessarily a PS printer.)
See: http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewto ... 1236#31236
An alternative is to set up a desktop printer to print to a PostScript file that is saved in a folder inside the 'Unix' disk that has, in the shared folder on the Mac OS X side, a Folder Action Script assigned to it that will automatically print an appearing PostScript file to your default printer on the Mac OS X side. (That can be any printer, not necessarily a PS printer.)
See: http://www.emaculation.com/forum/viewto ... 1236#31236
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Re: System 7.5.5 Networking troubles.
Thank you so much Ronald. That same thing of the two network software switching happened to me also.